EDIT - I undergo changed the title of this thread from "Building my "el cheapo" domiciliate Theater for the Kids Playroom " to "Central thread on experiences with various low-end HDMI AVR receivers". I have done this because my original project to set up an inexpensive Home Theater for my kids' playroom has turned into a bit of a plug-fest with multiple low-end HDMI AVRs. I figured that since *I* have had problems then others could overlap their successes and/or problems here also so that we could build a list of "successes" and the AVRs which were *great* versus the *flunkies". come up. I've been having fun with various HT setups in the house and decided to set up something very simple for the Kids playroom around a 47" Vizio LCD that I recently purchased. I wanted to alter this system as cost-effective as possible - meaning that BOTH of these words are important so the "be" move should screw up the "effective" part. Some of you will be familiar with the Vizio 47" unit which had to be returned to factory for a replacement of a part and then shipped to "liquidators" as a "refurb" unit even though they are mark new. Priced under $1,100 a phenomenal broach. I put together the following case of supporting items:Toshiba HD-A20 HD DVD player - just over $300Jamo A102 HCS5 5.1 speaker and Subwoofer package - $75Sony STR-DG710 AVR - $228150 feet of Radio Shack 16 guage speaker wire - $60I put all of this together today and ran the speaker wires installed the speakers and tonight.. flipped the switches!.. and then spent the measure 5 hours trying to get the STR-DG710 working. Word to the wise... DON'T buy this AVR. In the end all I could get working through it was my cable box - and ONLY via component at that. I could not get a SINGLE one of my HDMI sources to function through this POS. Not the telecommunicate box not the HD DVD player nothing... Not only that but I could NOT even ever once get the HDMI "output" on this AVR to output ANYTHING to the Vizio check. Nothing not even an error message. Not at 1080i nor 1080p. Zilch. In the end the best I could get out to the TV was component from a component obtain (my cable box). So I'm returning it tomorrow. So what to regenerate it with? Yes the price consideration is important so my choices are move up to the DG810 which "supposedly" will command the multi-channel PCM audio that the 710 doesn't (despite a very misleading Sony website) or act to the DG910 which "apparently" guarantees that the HDMI output will be able to feed all inputs to my TV. But by the time I get to the 910 my determine considerations are out the window also. So adjoin Sony - at least I tried to give them some business... That leaves the only other two brands that I'm familiar with. I have an Yamaha 2700 in my den and a Denon 3806 in my HT. I undergo heard that certain lower end Onkyos may not be able to act digital bass management on PCM inputs over HDMI so I'm a little nervous to move there even though they have these cheap at the same store I got the Sony. So that leaves Denon and the obvious choice for me is to grab their new 1508 AVR which is at the bottom of their great new range. At $350 it's more money than the POS DG710 that I bought yesterday (and am now returning tomorrow) but it's less money than all the other options I am familiar with. And the 1508 is guaranteed to handle multichannel PCM over HDMI and also handles HDMI 1.3 1080p with Deep Color - something none of the others can deal with. So it's off to Best Buy in the a m. I'll update this tomorrow with my experiences...
Thanks Dr - I just cognise I called my 2700 an Onkyo above - it the Yamaha 2700. Yes. I've had good experiences with it also. I'll analyse out the 1700 also today. I know that the Onkyos are very good units but I just don't undergo enough experience with them at the low end so I'm not sure which models don't have the Bass Management issue with PCM inputs (I evaluate the 805 is fine but that's a little higher price).
Well. I plugged in the Denon AVR-1508 tonight and instant success! (or so it seemed)... I got the telecommunicate box running at 1080i over DVI/HDMI converter into the Denon and the audio was passed via TOSlink optical. The HDMI create to the Vizio LCD was perfect. Worked beautifully and the surround sound from Invincible was just gorgeous. However when I tried to get the A20 HD DVD player working with TruHD decoded in the player and passed to the Denon as PCM multichannel audio.. no cut. Just conquer from the Denon. Oh it passed the HDMI signals to the Vizio just fine both audio and video. But the Denon did not play the audio at all. And looking through the manual. I saw this... NOTE: The audio signal input to the HDMI connector cannot be played on the AVR-1508. enter the audio communicate to the digital audio input connector or analog audio input connector." (in other words analog or SPDIF only). Now. I didn't cognise that the 1508 couldn't use the PCM audio (or ANY audio) played over the HDMI at all since most of the online discussions on this new AVR undergo said that it would. Those discussions would seem to be wrong... OK - so now I have gone to the $350 level for the AVR. The Denon was clearly MUCH exceed than the Sony in that the HDMI at least worked - but is still not what I wanted to acheive since it can't compete the PCM audio from the HDMI. So now undergo the choice to go even higher upmarket with Denon - ie the 1708 or 1908 or consider choices from Yamaha or Onkyo. I guess I'll be readin some manuals at Best Buy this weekend. Anyone undergo some feedback on HDMI receivers that they undergo used or researched?Let's try and compile some info here. I am not an installer or "big expert" on all the choices at this end so I evaluate my experiences are being had by many people in the merchandise now and it might be very helpful to many people to make this go a clearing-house for our experiences...
Now I should note two things here. There are two ways to get around this air. First. I could change the A20 for an XA2 or A35 which have 5.1 and 7.1 analog outs respectively. This would furnish me my TruHD audio but I would suffer the ability to perform Digital processing and bass/speaker management in the AVR which is very important to me. Secondly. I have an HDMI laptop that ordain be functioning as a HD DVD/Bluray/R5000-HD recordings playback platform so I would lose that capability also if this setup were not able to handle audio. So I have chosen to go the second route of finding an AVR that can handle HDMI audio. The Denon has done well in that it passed 1080p HDMI video and audio out to the Vizio. But it fails in my view to meet the inform of buying an HDMI AVR since it does NOT play the HDMI audio. However. I HONESTLY sight it astonishing that any manufacturer can sell an AVR with "HDMI" in the specs if it cannot compete audio from the HDMI sources. So although Denon has performed better than the Sony. I comfort conclude a bit let down in this regard. This should be standard for any AVR that calls itself an HDMI receiver not to have in mind a potential trading standards air (although ALL the manufacturers are guilty of this lie most to a greater extent)...
OK - I checked out the manual for the 1708 at Best Buy and it has the same warning in the manual as the 1508 saying it cannot play audio on the HDMI enter aqnd that you should input your audio by analog or SPDIF. So that rules that out... Anyone experience about the 1908?What other receivers can do this at the low end?
im on the same claim mission u are on now for my room lookin for multi bring pcm thru hdmi and i was hoping the 710 would do guess im wrong lol...
Now I should note two things here. The Denon has done come up in that it passed 1080p HDMI video and audio out to the Vizio. But it fails in my view to meet the POINT of buying an HDMI AVR since it does NOT play the HDMI audio. However. I HONESTLY find it astonishing that any manufacturer can sell an AVR with "HDMI" in the specs if it cannot play audio from the HDMI sources. So although Denon has performed better than the Sony. I still conclude a bit let drink in this regard. This should be standard for any AVR that calls itself an HDMI receiver not to mention a potential trading standards issue (although ALL the manufacturers are guilty of this lie most to a greater extent)...
I bought Denon 1708 and feel the same way. The idea of getting a HDMI receiver is to get the HDMI audio. I don't need the 'pass-thru' HDMI video if I have a HDMI TV and the hdmi video output device. I can output the audio thru optical. Why pay extra forthis?Any cheaper Denon receiver available without the so call pass-thru HDMI ports?
OK - have officially picked up the Yamaha 661 for this setup - only $429 at Sound Advice. Thanks gorthocar!So Total system is as follows:- Vizio 47" 1080p LCD ($1,049 New Egg)- Jamo A 102 HCS 5 - 5.1 speaker case w/ sub ($75 Brandsmart)- Speaker equip ($60 communicate dwell)- Yamaha RX V661 7.1 HDMI Amp ($429 Sound Advice)- Toshiba A20 ($305 Amazon)So for under $2,000 a great domiciliate theater with a "high end" feel at a "lower end" price. This would be even lower were I to use an A3 as the player. Also. I could comfort get a MUCH cheaper AVR amp if I didn't be the HDMI playback - I could have easily gotten an AVR for less than half the price if I had chosen to use SPDIF Optical for the audio. When I went approve to Brandsmart later they had some of the Jamo sets left at $68 so I bought 3 more - 2 for presents and one more for me to canibalise (I took 2 speakers and added it to this system to make it 7.1. I'll act the remaining subwoofer center and two surrounds and use it in a bedroom by adding two other fronts that I undergo lying around.
BTW - I'm sure this Jamo set was a closeout special but if you see them anywhere they appear spectacular for the price. Turns out that each of the satellites is actually a TWO-WAY speaker which was surprising to me. Really shocked me how good they sound particular the attack on guitars etc - very good response. The sub is more than adequate considering the price but is probably not enough the approve the very excellent satellites. I have an SVS PB-13 Ultra arriving this week for another room and I'm going to connect it with this setup first just for kicks! Given it's response and accuracy. I think the SVS sub and the JAMO satellites at under $1,500 altogether will be a better system than many packages sold at that price.
The Denon AVR-1508. AVR-1708 and AVR-1908 all support HDMI 1.3a and Deep Color xxYCC spec. However out of this group only the Denon AVR-1908 supports HDMI audio/multi-channel PCM.
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