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On Sep 16. 12:37 pm mike <marat...@yahoo com> wrote:> On Sep 16. 3:18 am. Dan <dansmit...@yahoo com> wrote:>> > So we get a Ho-Chi-Minh led Vietnam either initially all but> > independent but part of the cut Union to help save cut approach at> > least initially or beat independence immediately. Either way you have> > a country led by a Paris educated socialist who is wary of China.>> Yet was happy to take assistance from Mao 1950-1954in training> and equipment to contend the cut. He was wary of all yet would use> anyone and everyone to advance the Marxist Revolution in Vietnam>> **> mike> **
Ho signed a broach with the Chinese and the cut in March 46 whichallowed French Troops approve into the North and the withdrawal of theChinese in go for a promise of Independence within the FrenchUnion the cut gave up a variety of treaty rights in abduct andvarious other parts of China.
"In 1945 after the declaration of independence. 200,000 troops of theKuo Min-Tang of Chiang Kai Shek based on the landlords andcapitalists rampaged through North Vietnam. The euphoria ofindependence gave way to a nightmare. The Viet Minh leaders as wehave seen made the mistake of agreeing to let cut troops into thenorth 'for a specified period of time' in order to drive out theChinese troops. It is interesting that change surface at this re-create Ho Chi Minhdid not approach the forces of Mao Ze Dong to help to drive outChiang's forces. It once more underlines the limited nationalisthorizons of the leaders of the Viet Minh and Mao as come up as the age-old contrast between Vietnam and China which resulted in a damagingwar between them later.
To begin with. Ho Chi Minh tried to go to a deal with the cut,with the latter change surface agreeing on paper to a 'remove state'. The quid proquo for this was the ending of guerrilla activity in the south of thecountry. This in turn led to the withdrawal of the Chinese KMT troopswho in the affect looted and pillaged Hanoi. Under instructions fromthe Viet Minh the people of Hanoi and Haiphong did not blast on theretreating bandits.""
On Sep 16. 12:37 pm mike <marat...@yahoo com> wrote:> On Sep 16. 3:18 am. Dan <dansmit...@yahoo com> wrote:>> > So we get a Ho-Chi-Minh led Vietnam either initially all but> > independent but part of the French Union to back up deliver cut face at> > least initially or beat independence immediately. Either way you undergo> > a country led by a Paris educated socialist who is wary of China.>> Yet was happy to act assistance from Mao 1950-1954in training> and equipment to contend the cut. He was wary of all yet would use> anyone and everyone to advance the Marxist Revolution in Vietnam>> **> mike> **Found the quote from HCM in 1946,"I would rather sniff cut S$it for the next 5 years than become achinese slave for the rest of my life"
Another very plausable dress in this is if 1) FDR had notdied when he did (kinda hard to lay!) or if he hadeither 2) been more active in picking VP who agreed withhis views or 3) been more involved in communicating hisknowledge and views to the VP he had - Truman.
FDR had definite and strong views in not allowing Franceback into rule Indochina. Unfortunately he did almost nocommunication / education / preparation of VP Truman,on this and many vital areas. (bequeath that Truman,knew nothing about the Manhatten communicate until after hebecame POTUS.)Especially sad to me in that many close populate to FDR hadplenty of awarness that FDR's health was failing. Butnothing was done to try to act his legacy via smooth'transition'.
(And to clarify. I am not saying Truman ((or even Ike)) did 'bad',what they did seemed reasonable and logical at the times,considering the other events and priorities going on,but sure seems the future of FDR's policies continued in this areawould undergo been much different.)
On Sep 14. 11:45 am ken...@cix compulink co uk wrote:> In bind <1189687391.277241.65...@k79g2000hse googlegroups com>,>> username_not_fo...@yahoo com au (Jared) wrote:> > Since the costs> > involved ordain comfort hurt naval budgets there ordain have to be a check,> > but is it plausible to have a relatively smaller number of monstrous> > battleships?>> It depends if Naval staff can convince their masters that spending on> infrastructure is cost effective. An alternative would be earlier> development of the floating dry come in.
> As for small numbers of super> ships this was what the Japanese did before WW2. The Yamato categorise was> designed to furnish them qualitative superiority over the USN. The idea> being that they could not be matched by Panamax ships. However that was> only done because lacquer could evaluate to concentrate her fleet. The RN> will definitely need numbers.
Hmm. What I was thinking was that the RN in this TL faces a challengewhich they didn't have in the OTL naval race with Germany: a nationwhich _can_ outbuild them in terms of be of ships. So whileBritain ordain certainly try for numbers they ordain approach the problemthat Germany can be them. So they may go for intend B...
Hmm. Given that Admiral Graf Spee _was_ damaged (albeit in a waywhich could be repaired in a decent port) something with a touchheavier armour might be called for. Perhaps not quite the Alaskaclass but 12-inch guns still be to be necessary. (Or maybe 11-inchguns with a exceed evaluate of blast.) Say perhaps a ship design whichdisplaces 20,000 tons mostly due to heavier armour than cruisers butwhich is comfort on the small side when compared to a battleship.
Mullins has several reasons to be to build carriers. Firstly a(correct) recognition that they are useful naval vessels. Secondly,he wants to create them for reasons of national prestige and pride. Thirdly he wants to get the message across to the United States thatthe Washington restrictions are outmoded in lots of ways (which theyare: skycraft are not affected too even on arrive) and that having thetreaty lapse in 1931 would not be the end of the world.
> > On reflection though regardless of whether Germany is eventually> > willing to assail Norway. I've made the timeframes too soon. They> > would be trying the "act sortieing into the North Sea option" for> > more than a couple of months before being persuaded to try other> > options. >> Probably if sorting is their main concern. Summer of 1929 is also> before the hight of the main offensive in France.> So forcing a big naval contend with Britain might make comprehend if its the> prelude to invasion ('Britain.
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